From Staten Island Live
Many Russian immigrants to the "red borough" of Staten Island are flocking to the Republican Party, saying that the national Democrats' "socialistic" policies remind them too much of the top-down oligarchy they fled in their native land.
With many of the borough's Russian arrivees already owning businesses and active in civic organizations, their muscle could help the Island GOP solidify electoral gains made this year, when the party took back congressional and Assembly seats.
Businessman Arkadiy Fridman said that the newly formed Citizens Magazine Business Club, a confederation of more than 50 Russian-owned businesses here and in Brooklyn, has aligned itself with the Molinari Republican Club (MRC) in an effort to increase the Russian community's political and economic clout.
"We decided we had to support this club," said Fridman, a former Soviet Army officer who came to the United States in 1992. "They are very close to our political and business vision."
Fridman said that the Democrats "are going in an absolutely different direction," focusing on "income redistribution" and rich-versus-poor "class war."
The Big Brother approach reminds Fridman too much of what he left behind in the former Soviet Union.
"It's the same rule like it was there," said Fridman, who estimates there are around 55,000 Russian immigrants here.
Michael Petrov of the Digital Edge data management firm in Bloomfield, said that he objects to the "micro-managing of the economy" he's seen from city as well as federal officials.
"Government is affecting small business more and more," said Petrov, who came to the United States in 1994. "It's the same as what's happening in Russia."
Now, who better to know the direction the US has been taken by the Democrats then Russian Immigrants and a former Soviet Army Officer.
There has been only a small fragment of our country that have been warning the American people for decades about the direction the Dems want this nation to go in.
But the likes of Obama, Pelosi and Reid woke most people up the last 2 years.
Lets hope they never forget, again.
Good for him. He's now an American and he can add his hyperbole to the rest of them.
Unfortunately for him its no where near what was like there. And even Mark wouldn't suggest that it is. He knows the difference. If it were his blog wouldn't exist.
Joe, I'm not seeing the hyperbole here. Could you be more specific?
(I expect this will be a good debate!)
AP, thats the new word for the libs. People who've experience socialism first hand for many years are now hyperbole.
Joe, I wouldn't say it is as bad, but the direction is for sure heading in that direction. And this guy knows it... So do I.
Mark, I really expected that was Joe's point, but then it's not really a hyperbole, it's basically a liberal opinion of a hyperbole in an attempt to spin the real issue into a falsehood.
How is it that those who have lived most of their lives in a socialistic, communistic, dictatorship or otherwise oppressed society (and therefore have firsthand experience with such) are speaking with hyperbole when they see the same developments happening in America?
Hey, remember when Maxine Waters choked back the word of socialism when they had a congressional hearing with the oil companies in '08 and threatened to take over all the oil companies? Now that was a hyperbole back then because no one thought that would or could happen!
Adams, here's the hyperbole...
"It's the same rule like it was there," said Fridman
No, its not. They didn't have open elections for how many years. they didn't have private business etc. We don't have a politburro, nor do we have communist party watchdogs in our military. We are not moving towards them, nor will we ever be like they were.
Mark, what they experienced wasn't socialism nor was it even communism except in name only. it was an Oligarchy hiding under the name of communism. I don't advocate for communism nor do i advocate for a Leninist oligarchy, but lets be honest about what type of government they had.
I've yet to find a Russian,Hungarian... that doesn't think we are going down the same track as they came from. Ask an old school German and they will show you how close the DNC is to the Nazi Party of Germany. It seems to me like the DNC is taking all the failed polocies of those countries and made a hybrid "socialism". There is a lot of China's "State capitalism" within the DNC as well.
Chris, you know whats the funny part of that is all my German friends said that about Bush and the "for us or your against us" stuff.
So what your saying is, "we are going down the same track as both Russia and Germany although they both took different tracks in very different directions?
How exactly is that?
Chris, hey can i get a link to those nonexistent UN stats??
You won't comment there..
Joe, "We are not moving towards them, nor will we ever be like they were'. Are you serious?
I would say their is a few reasons that we 'aren't there yet':
1)We have been a free society for centuries, but are gradually losing our freedoms and far more rapidly pace since '08.
2)We have had a 'Constitution' for centuries. Liberal Fed law makers do not fear this piece of paper, but we have Americans that have shown they are willing to fight to save it.
3) Americans have their own weapons and are willing to defend their freedoms, if need be to their own death. This fact alone causes more fear with the fed lawmakers than the Constitution.
Concerning the Russian immigrants and their opinion...I'm more inclinded to subscribe to their hyperbole than a liberal saying we are not moving towards it nor will we!
This is for one reason, generally speaking Americans have enjoyed freedom for so long they are naive and think they will never lose it, even if they do nothing to stop from losing it.
Those who never had freedom and now enjoy it don't want to lose it. They have the experience and can see the signs and are not naive.
Socialism- an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership (American Auto industry) Cooperative management of the means of production (Auto and healthcare industry) and allocation of resources. Cap & Trade, higher taxes, etc.
An Oligarchy IS Socialism, which communism derives itself from. Also Fascism is also a part of an Oligarchy. Because, by definition an Oligarchy is 'a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small segment of society'
We might not be heading toward communism, yet. Socialism is usually the first step.
Russia, effectively went from Communism to Socialism during the 1990's. These folks in this post came from this and see Mother Russia no differently the Father DNC.
It is telling that people from oppressed lands always end up rejecting the dems...
And who better to know that, Silver, but an ex-soviet officer.
You make a good point.
Joe whether they are the Germans,the Russians or the Chinese they all end up the same. Under tyrany. Get it? I guess I didn't explain the "hybrid" part very well. Any time the government has power over you they misuse it and that is what they have in common. They also have the death of millions. Joe where is your link to prove my post wrong?
Adams Patriot, i love how you reposnd to the charge of hyperbole with more hyperbole.
Yes, i am serious.
Americans even liberals enjoy their freedoms. They participate in democratic activities as much as conservatives. That will never change.
But on to your hyperbolic defense of his hyperbole.
1. We are not rapidly losing more freedoms at this moment than at any other. Thats not even a quantifiable accusation. Thats why you didn't quantify it, but just made a vaque statement about it.
2. Why should anyone fear the Consitution? Revere it, use it, but fear it? Your #2 makes no sense.
3. you've been brainwashed by the likes of the NRA and others. The single most fearsome thing to Federal lawmakers of both sides is a free and willing press.
"Our liberty depends upon the
freedom of the press" Thomas Jefferson
and its perfectly okay for Russian immigrants to vote for whomever they want, but its not even close to true that we are becoming like Communist Russia.
chris, thats how you want to play? You can't find a link to the story and despite my posting a link to a Rightwing website who in 2009 admitted that he ran the story and it wasn't true, that there was no story or no survey you want to play that game.
but the link is on the posts comments page. Check it out.
Well thanks for that inaccurate but extremely well thought out government class post.
Lets take a look at some interesting things in your belief system.
An Oligarchy is not Socialism. Simply put its an oligarchy. It can be capitalistic. It can even be a Republic. Many left wing and right wing anarchists and libertarians argue that Republics like ours are by nature an Oligarchic. I don't, but being run by one president and congress is a small number of people running the entire country isn't it. Interesting thought though but not one i subscribe to.
Socialism is socialism, Fascism is Fascism and Communism is communism. they along with Oligarchies are sufficiently different to maintain their individual attributes. Can a Fascist government by an Olicharchy? Yes, but its doesn't have to be.
As for Russia, its move to a capitalistic society has suffered not under the guise of socialism but under an ill-planned privatization that returned Russia to an Oligarchy, this time an ineffective market based one. We can argue about whether they have some socialistic tendencies, but the reality of its problems arise from its corrupt move into market based economy. In fact i have read numerous stories about Russians advocating for a return to communism because of poverty and corruption. Its surprising what starvation will do to people.
As for the WH investment into GM i think that there is plenty of precident for it, given H.R. 9142. And we did not even totally privatize it, just purchased stock of which i understand 32 percent has been sold. Other than the loans and short term investments this is not a case of Conrail happening.
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